These are the absolute best gloves I have owned. The removable liners are great for if it is to warm or for drying the gloves if they get wet. My hands have never been wet from the snow. I purchased a seconded set for backup. Used 1st pair for two years and they are still going. Use the Niki wax to treat the leather twice a year.
I haven't had a chance to use them in the wet and cold just yet. But I expect them to work very well. I have 2 other pair of Klim gloves, one pair ventilated and the other everyday gloves, and they are amazing.These new Togwotee gloves are put together extremely well. They have a Gortex liner to keep you dry and a removeable liner for varying temperatures. The only downside is that there is not any substantial padding in the knuckles or palms in the event of a fall.